a dan wilson, who is a journalist in broadcaster from new zealand, has just published a list of the 50 biggest freedom fighters all around the world today. now wooten who has been canceled himself included many people who were subjects of cancel culture and came to rise again, fighting for their beliefs and one of the biggest m s. m. b 's helps in history. i was taken off and because of comments aren't spokes made about the flames throwing life just come in, taisha, avis and tina as my friend making kelly told me, you were the 1st bull costa in this quote to be cancelled, but not being offensive enough by something of course, this is all personal opinion. no, paul was say it was taken and even in the comments below, his initial post he agrees, is quite subjective. and there are many people he probably could have included. however, one fact remains true from this list. all of these names are from western countries

or quote unquote, 1st world countries who are supposedly represent the free world. and as we look at tick tock, bands, governments partnering with social media companies to create censorship. this does raise a very important question. has turmoil and politics and the rise of and filters social media made us less free or more? well, joining us now discuss our political analyst and write your husband, jamal thomas. tom norton, chairman of the american pack and media analyst, wine a welcome. all 3 of you, people who i consider to be freedom fighters and should be number 12, and 3 on this list. but i guess the list for got you guys forgot my name as well so well. just do what we do best and talked about everybody else line. oh, i got to start with you on this. who a list of a do you believe are fighting currently for freedom? who would you include if you were to make yours? president trump. he wasn't on the front and he was not here the way i don't think

he was on here was a a while you asked me who was included. yes, he wasn't on the whether he is or not at the list as you know, what it is, is the sad part about it is very quickly up to you and the gentleman, the people who have been mentioned or not the special. they just had the unmitigated audacity to believe that they could express an opinion or the opinion that might have been not like. and i don't know about you, but i like spice in my food and spice in my commentary. and remember, you only take flag when you're over the target. what these people represent were victims of not 1st amendment violation is per se, using our system. but people who were use are targeted by, as by proxies for government. remember, all the social media systems were, are, are there as agents as deluca, browse the, as the enforcers of government, their proxy they are they quash free speech quash up opinion. so the idea that it's

mark sucker bergen base those sitting in their garage as private entrepreneurs is b s. they're active agents of a government that wants to shut you up. and the society that loves the scrum loves the pitch for and towards pre gauge. they loved to shut you down, just got e mail huge. they love it because they're a bunch of mean girls. and they just loved the crushed people just because they just do well, i think there's also more to the driver if you're wine on a lot of the points. right. but i think there's also more to it tomorrow because i think there's a bigger purpose, a bigger narrative, a bit bigger agenda. that's even not even about making money for a lot of these, this. their purpose is they want everybody to be directed into one narrative. and if you don't agree with that narrative, then your voice should be silent. yeah. with, with technology and social media. i mean that's basically what the internet is, right? i mean, whether you had radio, whether you a tv, initially you were able to corral people within a very specific bundle. in regards to point of view. and with social media, they basically lost control of a narrative and,

and trying to regain control of the narrative. that's when you're getting take top band, that's when you get into putting pressure on the lot of us. that's when you get into putting pressure on schellenberg. i mean, look at what they did, the art, can you when he was the testimony, i mean a flash, the guy. um, he was another one of those people that just to happen to be on that list where they were going after. now the issue is the loss control look at their to in the way that media would typically find all that information. and this is the political are trying to read it levels, right? i mean, when you're looking at the twitter, at least, i would love to sing youtube list. i would love to see the facebook list and the pressure that gets put on these companies, but the federal government to either allow or dislike. oh, it goes both parties and the one thing about the 1st is for public and democrats. libertarians very well represented on this list. so tom, i've got ask you, when you look at the number of people on your, in the people that are on there, do you have any i dish additions that you think should be highlighted some of these a freedom fighter i h, as in certain certain people out there like march to a green go, then added the list. i mean there's 50 people on the list that will trump was

number 6. i think the list was very well rounded for multiple political parties. they get an added people like, uh, what's your name of the former uh, tulsa gabrey, foster that avery's and added to the less said they had a very wide variety of both a traditional liberals and conservatives on this list. and the idea that they can see it up and have their freedom of speech as embrace and the 1st amendment. and that's something that i should have should be embraced and taught. we need to stop fighting wolf versus not long and start talking about the united states constitution again. because if we start doing that, they can realize that it gives us a right to hurt people's feelings. and the freedom of thought is essential for people to be able to move forward in the future. but that's the one thing, you know, i'm going to need this, i'm drawing jamal. when i look at that list of people's names that are listed, they have back home because they have people behind them. if the individuals that probably don't have a lot of money, probably don't have a team of lawyers by him that you never hear of their names on that side of it. so

does it prove the reason why we're talking about these people is they have groups and organizations or you behind them? well, yeah, i mean, the random person who, nobody knows, nobody knows for reasons that yeah, right. the random person. do you remember when they had the election and the women they kept calling these people russian box. right. and the one was like, i'm not a rush, but i mean human being that person under normal circumstances, you don't know who that person is. i mean, for all of the sky, you know, hits for the military. so instead of a little idols, you do have picked witherspoon what, right, who has a particular political opinion that they didn't necessarily like? so it was nobody. good luck with this. it worked well. nobody could find it. what is facebook page? no, it you love us is the richest man on the plan. so we have a freedom fighters, a bit funny, but on some level, yeah, i mean a lot most of. busy and pretty so as long as you're not talking about a lot of us, here's vague and you're doing the 2599. do you know blue check fee or whatever they

have now. right. and right here. good sir. to be a freedom fighter on that one. so why don't i'm going to ask you there are, should you believe though that there's member that there should members of the major media outlets actually be considered freedom fighters or they're just doing their job? no, i mean a freedom fighters that, that sounds great. i like, i like it. what your terrorist registered or something like that. but here's, here's the thing, which is interesting. oh, i know it's, it's not the thought police. i've always worried about it. so thought vigilantes, it's the, it's the, it's the private citizens. we live in the world. let me say this again. mean girls and people who just loved a shut you up and shut you down. and what we did was, remember the 1st one of government is don't let people speak, and we're to find a reason to give them why they are why they've been show this effects national security. this is obscene, and now we're into, hey, it's race is and do you somebody, it's friends, phobic. and then we get into i love misinformation,

this information and dad information. and then we'll do is we will set up, artificial, or pretend truth policies, truth a visual empties, who determines, you know, whether it's snopes or whatever to say, i'm sorry, that's a true fact. but the fact says that since reps could be who are you? and what we do is we are so do so in love with this machine. it will department no, no, i'll back off whatever. please let me type originally sophie, let me take pictures of me with my girls. let me take pictures and be with my my, my filters are getting my food and please don't take that away. i'll shut up, i'll be good. and they use this as a condo to shut people up. and remember, the federal government is saying, it's not us, it's not the 1st amendment. my ass is not the 1st amendment there proxies. and then we also tell you if you thing for one minute that there are good guys here. i god bless you on much. but if you thing, he's a state,

if you thing he doesn't himself know his own brands of censorship. i don't believe you would. one question to tell me one thing that you never want to have ordered on any platform anywhere. name one thing, one thought, what idea that should never ever be uttered? i can't think of one. you don't like to turn it off. well, that's very open minded avenue line old to say, just do you know if you don't like it, go away, but that's not how it exists as world tom, in fact, that you're probably take line or speech right there. if i treat that out, i'll get shadow bands because of the how much truth should does it not also say something though about the politicians that like you mentioned, margery taylor green, they're all elected. all of them should be fighting for freedom. how sad is it that we have to put the ones that are fighting on a list and the others? what are they doing with our tax payer dollars that they're getting paid? well, what's happening here is what we really need to start doing is like standing up and encouraging people to be the foot soldiers. he wants to bring up the proxy portions of what we can to encourage people, the practice across united states in their own realm. that's where you have 2

social, you have other groups that are standing up and everybody is at the end of the day and to afford margin a profit. so as long as you are tracking the base, you can sit there and bring them in. but if you're tractor base where you're tying the actual freedom of speech and it's not, well, i believe that platform will continue to grow a little bit more. i've used twitter probably more since the one i lots versus it. no, it's not a st. any of the guys in more waves and kids, most of us, whatever 3 miles. but when you're there, is this guy on the planet, i guess you can afford to do that. i mean, child support is not that big at that point, i guess. but there's a freedom of speech that's there that even he sits there and then can embrace and encourage. and if i on the platform, most of us can sit there and say, hey, don't pick out me. that's. that's just where the majority of us would go and say, hey, you see whatever you want. just leave me alone because i'm paying for it as rental rate instead of 1984, i'm paying for this microphone. and that is problem. ready are these guys because there are still private organizations can look at them, but they are right that a lot of them are proxies and nothing more than

a make my phone of the democratic party. and quite frankly, i think i'm fox news or nothing more than a microphone for the r and c. i mean, you probably are using that cable in the back of their mouse moves. and you know, it's coming straight from the german ship and straight from the top to well, with that lovely image in our head right now. even though where you have to that would lead us to what the new are and say, look for, i want to take a break because after we're going to continue this discussion and we're going to also look at why people have to fight for freedom, say, why is that just not a given will be back the minds largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world. india's voice matters, but who will be the power behind it?

watches almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the benefits, explain it straight glass. no, i promise i'm a choice. dreamforce that is before the so vice chair and we'll just keep going as much as you are is i've just deep requirements. not express here. submit item so you may have not as a way can the cards. now problem, you know, open up in the front and then for the test and if i know for will be street the mention is pretty much full time for who performed by for the work been filled from over both of those types of products that

are coming out the most of the things that are available to try and sell the, the most of the triple just mostly enough one to the it's almost the, it's a little bit more of a run the system, the good little issues. and you know, the let's continue our discussion about the fight for freedom and who are some of the name makers with our panel, political analyst or a host, inter mall thomas, a tom norton chairman as american pack and media analyst vinyl. welcome on this one

. let me start with you over this toms ended when i started the 2nd look at this list. it was composed by dan when it's all interesting to me that was 99.9 percent come from what i consider to be developed countries. does this mean that actually freedom is under attack more and those regions which are known for having it or can you not take away something that you've never had? i think that freedom is drastically being attacked in western countries because we have violated the concept of freedom of speech. we violated the 1st amendment we've, we've, we've made judge, jury and executioner of the media. and i mean, if we look around the world, i'm certain, if i dig through stories of and asking nations that are some of them still developing that we've been find true freedom fighters, they're defending, you know, families that are gonna be executed or starving. and i think that do it agree, some of this freedom fighter, this is also and bracing our own ego to an extent that we think that we are extra special. but it is true that freedom is under attack and it was this fashion of

freedom is gone. you're the united states. as there's a miraculous experiment, there's not going to be too many other places left to go. and that's what we have to sit there and stand up and truly fight for is restoring that freedom of speech. and again, as i said before, is making sure that we encourage people to stand up and be there are freedom fighter, these freedom, a social media platforms of thousands of people got on them and they, their own opinions heard and thousands of people said i'm tired with protecting your pronouns because i have no idea how you feel today is 24 hours has passed and people's opinions can truly change. and we are all standing up and fighting for we believe that i think we can restore and move it back in the other direction. there's millions of millions of americans that believe in individual freedom believe in that 1st amendment that need to stand up and just say what their opinion is. and we'll be able to turn back the clock by just truly being yourselves. tom, i love your optimism line. oh, do you believe the glasses have that have full when it comes to freedom being restored? are we all ready? let the genie out of the bottles?

you know, the glass is too large, and by the way, i love your mixed metaphors and the toothpaste is already out of the to we don't think i'll let, let, let me know, i think are the, you know, without respect to this article, to the fact of this freedom that these are just people making opinions. let me, let me give you my favorites. this is my favorite. you remember a while back or, or, or in from time immemorial, every now and then they'll go to college campuses and, and they hate college campuses day, hey, it depends what it is. it depends. i'm not going to go into whether it's be a lamb or whether it's a is, or whether it's trump, or whether it's something about israel or against buys. but they loved to go to college camp. and to me i, we thought that was a marketplace, a free ideas, always thought that's where you went and you went to say crazy to whatever. and they'll say that change speech. ladies and gentlemen, i want to not introduce my platform, my new movement of hash tags. so what if i say something that is hateful? so what hate is protected? speak, you can hate anything you want. you can love it. anything you want. you can say

anything you want in my perfect world, so long as you don't ever activate upon it or hurt them, but i don't care whether you hit somebody and love them, hit somebody and hate them, or you hate them because of their race or the way they look at your sexual somewhere along the line. the word hate, hate became a part of our idea that somehow this is pro scribe. so we took these things, go ahead crime. remember that, isn't that right? we should have a crime course is no love. and i'm going to be penalized for daring to utter a thought which is protected, which i've happened to pair with somebody which is against the law. and what we do is our biggest problem are the idiots in the global north, the ship exit. ok? well, the trade rollers and they never did is not ingle base and this had not a put our, yes, it's a of course, hash tag show what? and i want to make people tough and i wanted to grow a fix skin, grow a pair, good, a bad phone shot up. so what, let him say to bill why just leave. okay,

that's the absence of free, but level i got i got to push back on this at what age does that start? because we talk about college campus. we can say that as an adult. but in middle school elementary school, when you're a school user to only say certain things, certain words, certain parts. when does it start that you can actually have the freedom to say, so what? and you don't have to abide by certain guidelines, the adults anytime anything a word to i mean we're not talking about kids. and so we're only adopting a bunch of kids there. they're not. i've discussed political ideals right now. and high schools and middle schools, elementary schools, they're not allowed to wear t shirts and say, you know, i love jesus on it or bring a car on to certain actual and it, well what this is, that's a different story. there's probably school is whole nother story and if it's a political class, we should be able to talk about that. but the bottom line is simply, this is not just children. it's people the we know, well how many times have you been? oh i, there's some kind of russian problem again, isn't that, i guess we even call the potent supporter where you've been actually a line, jo barely because you said,

i don't think this happens and makes sense. how many times of, i mean it's the most? and recently i saw american congressman waving a ukrainian fly the far, the congress screaming on their, i mean, you crazy. i think it's what the hell is wrong with it. well, what am i? are you as a lensky hater? said i. there's no name for this. i'm an american dammit, i don't like this there. and if that's freedom, and i'm fighting for a trip, we've lost our minds. that's the problem. oh, that's, that's definitely we agree on. and jermel, a lot of it's happening in pop culture. yeah. you're saying it's not just you're expected from the la floor of the house, you know, they're gonna talk about, but you're thinking and pop culture right now. whether we're talking about movies in, in music, is that being used as a rebel, as a tool to take away freedom as well. it's definitely been used as a tool to get across the point of view. a star trek, what are my favorite shows, stuff like discovery. they have just destroyed that show. and like you would have seen sort of all ready, a book which type of, you know,

all of the different ideas and everything else. all the different morality that's edited to it. and i remember one of the discovery think ahead is like basically correcting somebody when they pronounce their, their alien like like it at a certain point it becomes a bit obama. but be clear though, this is a political issue, this is less like, i don't think the random american, i don't think the ever rich american who's sitting somewhere is pointing their speech and when they're talking to somebody else. so just having a conversation with somebody else. when you get into a political situation with it becomes a bit different and you have to get the word that line or use something digital any? yes, but he's right that to mean look at what they've done with the one who did her part . i mean, she got to, it was like, arrest me if you feel that confident about it, just because, you know, i try to protect women spaces or just because, you know, i put out, hey, maybe this biological male should be the other women and supporting it. and they would call that transfer with no i it's, it is gotten very strange. in the old days we used to be able to have these

political. but let me think about the 6 themes as of right, some of the stuff they used to say of those fights. and somewhere along the way to get to the point of, it's not just that we can have a conversation, but i need to get rid of you. like it's not just disagree with you where i can deal with your narrative and give you a particular point of view. it's, you just need to disappear. and that's, it's franky especially also for media when they could actually do it. mm hm. i mean, you know, like, i like this spreading out, try to get something. i mean, just seems like that's what they basically doing, an electronic class and they're doing that. and when i was so many people rely on the phone. tom, the other element honestly, i think actually as discredits. the whole thing are those that are capitalizing on this fight for freedom. do you think that diminishes the work they're doing? a lot of people on this list, and we know make a lot of money just by saying certain things and they throw these fireball items out there and they get lots of clicks and they get lots of dollars that go into the bank accounts because of what they said, do they actually believe it? i think a lot of them don't, they're that army us and i think it's

a valid point. i remember back growing up in the eighty's and ninety's. you'd see these a religious, even jealous on there that made it into a business and moved away from my daughter. got it. so yes. and they turned it into a for profit organization. so some people on the west are doing that. not all of them. there are quite a few people on there that are on there doing it for the right reasons. as i said, it's a pretty solid list. there's no list that's ever going to be made in a 1000000 years. it's a perfectly upset. so just like both of us, like star trek and both of us would agree that discovery was completely destroyed if it gets who cares about pronouns because like some of them are unisex down there from and that was back into the 6. yeah. so i directly yeah. but that started back then in here, but here we are 50 years later and look where we've got into a line. all that's my comment is that so often we put the focus on like said the pro now is better. we don't praise the ones that are continuing to push for it, so therefore they don't even bother to for their next on the lines. do you think

that we should be doing a better job? the whole course? you know, you mentioned just star tracking by the way, you gentlemen, thank you for it as a star track that drives me crazy or than that. but i loved the movie being there with john to gardner and peter sellers. and i want to do if i, if, if i ran, let's say youtube, i would take somebody who was certifiably insane. i mean, absolutely end of the story is get your product just out of their mind. and i would create a, a platform and i would give them immediately $15000000.00 views. and immediately within 24 hours, this is going to be the sage is going to be the profit, duplicate be say, you know what? he's right. why? because of numerical validation. you know, many file rejects, nobody likes you guys because we're now it's really a, it's kind of like a weird meritocracy. it has to do with the numbers and all of the people that have been mentioned on this freedom. federalist one thing in common. their numbers, not their words, not, they're not, not the, the, the, the genius of their idea for the fact of their popularity. it's that number. it's

that like, how many times you ever watch anything. and the 1st thing they tell you was please like this police problem. it was the car will do sad yet, please like this. it's like going into a restaurant. they ask you to tip. they asked me and my dry cleaners, the tip of much i want to bring my stuff. so what happens is these freedom 5 years we live in this world of this artificial sense of worth determined by numbers. and we will sit there and say this guy is crazy. he's got 10000000 view. oh, okay. let me reconsider that. that's where we got this at the gene use of this one or the village. they do what they say. how about somebody who really makes a great point, but has for view or yeah. or and, and, and sits in your bedroom with the, with, with a messy room who says 1000000 things. nobody cares about her. she's not worthy of it. give her a 10000000 views, 10000000 subs, and now we're talking business instead of the what, what type of marriage is that, that's for a different issue, of course. well,

and that's the merit right now. that scares about it. and this is, i will give you the less for on this because that's supposed to be coming. credibility is like line or pointed out just is happening in the numbers. it's becoming sort of a horse trade. the bigger the numbers means, the more important you are, the more truthful truth that you're speaking. that's not true. where does this go from here though? i, by the way, it convince us the person with those numbers right? gives nice but the most ridiculous things in the world and it's like, well, i have too many views. so i, i thought of, oh, i'm right in the bedroom. um yeah, that's the way it works. right. i mean, that's how it works. and youtube, i would imagine if i worked with us that level, where does it go? is an interesting question. i mean, the reality is it does seem to be the slight, with this kind of pushing pull between um, the mechanism of let's say, like a so for me to an internet that allows this kind of expression versus this pull back with this club back of that capability of being able to get that expression. i don't know what that is. i mean the, the rub is, you get a situation where the censorship gets more over. or you could have a situation with people that are bad because of that nature on that side of it.

yeah. so is unclear is on that well, jamal line on tom during thank you so much for joining me. also. thank you for not saying be me. i've scottie, when you started talking about star trek, i sort of happy to stay and break out from my childhood, from what they used to call me. so i think all 3 of you for joining me and having the freedom to discuss. oh yes, line. oh, oh, see very good. all right back it you guys. thank you to you know, sadly a list which identifies specific individuals who are publicly fighting. not only should be considered an honor, but also you can sort of warning as these individuals are guaranteed to be targets if they are not already. but those who wish to seize power and control. now the old adage goes, not all heroes were capes. and while i think it is good things to have those individuals in the public, i actively known for pushing back against tyranny. there are so many as are panel pointed out behind the scenes who are fighting, but they're doing so through the choices they're making. was hard to gauge, those individuals are,

it is their existence which is going to be the most effective and secure in the future. it is this group of teachers, dr. small business owners. and they're like, they're going to save the world from ultimate control by the elite, or at the very least, radically slow the i've got out here's and this has been a, your 360 do. thank you for watching the russian states. never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community best. nothing was all sun set up, the in the 65 and this new 2000 speedy, one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union,

the kremlin media mission, the state on the russia to day and split the r t. suppose back even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services, excuse me, quickly check the, the, the, the, what is part of the employee would post that isn't the defense you of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present to that stuff without collision,

is that spelled out of i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law should we live in justification. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence. the point obviously is to create a trust rather than fit the barriers. mean with the artificial intelligence we have so many with the in the robot must protect this phone. existence was on the,

the breaking news about the didn't progress to visit china on thursday and friday for his 1st to the rule just being integrated to new, to me as russia's president us of some of the big inmates of surprise visits to i'll see, plays ability losses positions on the ground. washington faces tough questions about whom to do to support the how do you have visibility in ukraine when there's a pollutant in far as the us is concerned with russia, but you don't have the same level of visibility when you're dealing with an ally of this. your, your question is rooted in the premise that these are, we're talking about apples and apples here and that is just simply not the case.