and the swell should stop in front of thing and state should be a bill. but the ease, ready government, ease its load. she thinks the complete opposite and should do everything. see that they do everything they can, you know, to silence us and stop us them doing that. and we're trying to go to the, on the democratic. and i'm especially doing that because it's not community democratic institution user, which is the supreme court, which is our on the a option right now. because we want to deep events that we need to have the security of police in order to separate the counter from the us from the counter. it brought this, we need to be able to put this safely in our own country, which supposed to be of them across the state. yeah, it's not, as you have said, the police said the cannot guarantee the protection of the ceremony from

extremist demonstrators. all demonstrations as the case may be, but the students have said that is not true, but it means that you, you don't trust what the police are saying. but it could be highlighted of the but the police that the minister of the police, easy to mo, ben boot is the most precious minister that this country ever had. he's crazy is extremely religious. he wants to be. so it completely does uh and be the new settlements. he's the most experienced person in days ready fighting. and he gained control over the police. the police nowadays he needs read, in my opinion, is not uh, something that you can trust on. you also see that the police is the beating the off the family of the hostages. the people that the prominent the death family member beach is hostage in gaza and they are going to process instead of be getting

beaten up by the police. and the getting a risk that the police is completely police political and the parts of the government and the just, they don't separate from it. so yeah. so it's like, i don't trust the government. i don't trust the police at the same wise, i don't trust the army and, and all of the government the so it all right now in israel has repeatedly set but it defends weston, democratic bodies. you don't faint. the bad thing. the ceremonies consistent with the principles of democratic states. do you if, if they, we really, if we had been like leaving the democratic state, everything that's going on in east bed right now, once happened, the democratic state, kent, medians of people under occupation for most of it, is there any, it's nothing like that wisdom,

democracy at all in any way else because it has the jews have some privileges, the democratic privileges inside this room. they can process, they can vote. and we have we can go to supreme court. but other mediums of people that the under is ready means that you don't have those privileges and of cause at doing the ceremonies deposit believe democracy gets, you know, be democracy if people should be totally rand and have the patient to hear different opinions even if they're not in the center of the and that's what i'm national consensus. yes. all right, we have to leave you here now david marguerite, secretary of the how the students in tel aviv university. thank you very much for your insight. thank you. right. aren't you to come this way?

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by mr. so why the product to thank you for taking the time to speak with us this afternoon. how are you, sir? praise god, i'm good. it's good, i'm good, i'm home. but now we want to discuss what is happening globally. if we look at indonesia, it is one of the countries that continues to voice support for palestine. and that also supported south africa's case before the international court of justice against israel. from your point of view, why just the indignation government feel it is important to voice its support for this conflict. spot of the duty bound site to disperse of the founding fathers is the same that is held by the government. for example, how we believe in participating in creating peace affords independent sign up until entities you decided to join be known. the block moved, but it was because of that spirit. and when engine easy, it became independent. palestinians also recognized that independence. so the relationship between the people of indonesia and the people of goals i think has

been built a long time in the past, kind of assign was among the known state supports as old indian easy is independence. so if and an easy as supports it today is part of what we were born way to. it's automatic. their names of indonesians whose names all goes the, which means people from goals i want them. so the use of the word l g o z is not a foreign name. yeah. but kids are even names of scholars from escalade. that's why they called ask allow me because the person is from escalade. escalade is now part of israel, a lot of palestine goes and names are pretty common in our country and even them on chef fee himself came from gauze that hold of he lived in baghdad long and also served in yemen. i'm on the shaft, the pop me use the tub, outgoing z. that's because it originated a net, it goes that which traces back to its origins. in fact, after world war 2, they shrank even further, particularly when issues in the regions started to arise following world war one.

in other words, if the people's ambitions are reflected in the government's attitude, the government acts upon them that are support from indonesia is expected. and not surprising market, and then i hit and yeah, baby boom. and finally the you and passed a resolution for a ceasefire from your point of view, what impact can this un resolution have? will it be able to resolve what is happening in the gaza region as a 7 and the effect level? so i don't know the direct effect on israel on the settlements, but it seems that the goal is a supplement is taking a while and then, and then from a market perspective, whether this is a sign that something is going to shift, we don't know yet how broadcast, hopefully it will be faster for study based on the verdicts. we haven't seen it in action. the decision is one thing, but how it's implemented in the field must also be tested. it seems that still needs to be a lot of tokens and more serious diplomatic negotiations. setting up right now with

indonesia, music on indonesia itself, is also very active in providing assistance and support. not only in terms of diplomacy, the community is involved, both through demonstrations and material assistance. could you share a little bit about the role of the p b. m. you to be able to provide and also ensure the support for the people in palestine. the color young to put a simply the and you latest how to channel people's aspirations, take care of how in an easy it becomes a peacemaker. so people have hopes or respectful palestine for us citizens, but not only in demonstrations and that, but also in that presence. of course, these communications must be properly channels. so it's not just a demonstration to maintain the rhythm and spirit of support. we have been supporting palestine for a long time while i had called the i'm on from your experience where maybe you've received information or their challenges that have to be overcome to provide the

support specifically for supplies such as food or medicine that indonesia has delivered to or not, but not the glen days lost of support for the people even more than was needed for the transport team was overwhelmed. there's a lot of support in the form of natural and material. i remember, especially for the palestinians. the technical issues involved in delivering the items also not simple. that's what a government can result quickly on. but for example, the government allocated air force planes are held and then the people from b, b and you are among the officers who assisted in delivering the supplies. you've got those who are used to handling soft as were involved with the i think there are also offices who deliver goods to complex areas. not i mean in palestine, but also there are left in syria. so and you asked the best i've been used to help to deliver aid then rooms with yeah, slow and, and there has always been a closeness in cooperation with the government to deliver this aid and one been

born in. yeah. yeah. can yes, because the government has the authority going on when it comes to relationships between 2 countries. the governmental relationship is certainly strong. got its people to people supporting from ages that that's the kind of relationship that exists between the governments. but it's got to go look at that we have done right now. if we look at the term. well, there is a lot of interference from western countries in this conflict. what do you think about the policies of these western countries? but the boss have to end up with skype because most, if i'm not sure if the sites pico treaties still exist for defining 1916 european spheres of influence. tracing the origins of the troubles in palestine is a lengthy study that cannot be condensed. therefore in some of the talks of the most lately, we must explore that. what does the palestinian issue can be results slightly by you and resolution, or something more is required. we always come back to who the parties are conducting the negotiations. it demands that grades

a level of serious this than before. for example, western countries are responding to issues in west asia or in the palestinian territories. now that is all side different and not the same. what is the west to america in europe have to be the same? this does it have to be profound in nature and the red sea western european countries in the united states on a couple of ways the same. on the other hand, the palestinian problem is situated almost at the red sea. so really palestine, the west and the red sea cannot be separated. what is happening now requires negotiations that are not solely economic, but i duck on, much of my conversation must go deeper than that. and we thought that that'd be buffle next. that tray got more complicated issues in west asian affairs because it could be a short period. it could lead to that. oh, but i'm really happy. what do you see as the approach taken by western countries in the global south and managing this conflict? yeah i'm, i'm good with the sticker. beyond got paid. there may be a slightly different perspective between the south whole global south and west and

countries. and i just read that the use of the time, middle east level does not mean from the middle east. what i'm going to use is the middle east and who uses the time west asia. you had me, we're going to be that it may be there is indeed a deeper context to the where it's used to knock on. i thought i would only what to do. middle eastern is see themselves as from the middle east. but when someone refers to the middle east, what they see the region from the point of view to the west of it, that it doesn't mean that up the side that may also represent the perspective that is applied to this issue. once that you need to be that the ds, it could be showing a standing position, give us something starting with the medical. so we often hear, especially in european countries about the burning of the holy qur'an the banding of his traditional islamic clothing and schools and female students being prohibited from wearing the head jeep or head scarves in any form. this also happens in the workplace. they're strong and time muslims statements made by right

wing politicians in europe and mass. if you look at this part of all these cases, just stand alone incidents are good. one, talk about a wider problem or the rejection of everything. most of them in your say at the end up in a walk, i now have you have done them. i don't really believe there is a genuine rejection of islam. the fact that interest is growing is proof positive. it's a different story internally. if it turns into a political narrative, because the election is gets in place, i mean, it's a little tough to talk about. but again, i want to make it more difficult for candidates running in that district to attract supporters. for example, in some countries we see this trend spike during the election. i mean, it gets more attention because it's a matter of finding voters in america all the west. perhaps my daughters have participated in the youth exchange during the american election season. pals. question her saying what you cover your headlights, i don't you worry that you'll be bullied by others as well. so from my perspective,

it's important to remember that every one has the unique style of getting alone. and even when it comes to wearing a headscarf in an environment that hasn't been used to that it is about the one who doesn't where, who responding to the one who does this is about the relationship, but about how to maintain the relationship with that. and i still believe there are more same people in this world, the nerves who would know that i am and that, that hello by the guy. what is your view on how the issue of religion has become a political agenda in these countries today? yeah, to my, if you think the essence of religion, it is important politics. but if you take the political show up within the person's decision comes out to be in security. it could be that the person who pulls the religious issue, people are not confident with our achievement. so the pull the religious issue of then there was a problem early on. and why is religion important for politics? essentially just a little because of religion is to,

god is high value. years in high values are important for politics. religion is a warehouse, all 5 values, the politics benefits from a high regard for religion because it promotes a healthy political climate. but if you just take the show, it politics will lose its meaning. they seems to be a situation where in political seasons, in many countries, the issue of religion is pulled up. that's actually a setback for progress. and whether he's left or right is another mass of should i call them plan, meet with migration trends on the rise all over the world and millions of people ending up outside their natural religious environment. what are the main difficulties facing organizations that try to promote peaceful coexistence among people of different religions? does this mean the politics using the cloak of religion is also one of the difficulties? what other difficulties does the community face to be able to continue to maintain peace between religions about undermine? was a guy something the wind up every area faces unique challenges up on the island. it

takes a while to go to southeast asia and about due to the length of travel living in the southeast asia is also a more tranquil because rely on only what is taught in schools, in my opinion or school curriculums are important. but in order to promote the healthy, a way of life rules and regulations governing how people live in these multi cultural or multi religious society, must be gretch. any question. ok to describe a society's common sense under themselves. people of different religion since can get along with each other. that is the application of punch a c, the values. that's another like the president, tim medina, at the time during rest of the realize time, the people were different. the tribes with different kind of religions with different that they could get along. actually punch a c that is taken from such references, defining the common interest of a people or a community is each states do take the book in each community. the people have had

a jew, sees that they like. now how get that and do this gotta now we also hear a lot about universal values like a new narrative that many convey not just politicians. many stories are circulating in the younger generation, even do you have any knowledge about whether those universal values actually exist? and how might indonesian people respond to this narrative, given that some argue this is ambiguous. yeah. yeah. it does cause yeah, that's actually an old discussion, potentially universal humanism has been around for a long time and then the policy discussion was also not sure. so is it repeating that again? should values that apply in generally, that can appeal generally be standardized, just like that without considering regional or local factors on top of that is the cause, the sense of belonging that comes from being east and no indian easier. for instance, small cuba is actually west slab, a guess from where the agent or european is the sense that both universal and

regional model. it is a sentiment that is local, regional or shed by all agents, including se agents and indonesia. and this is a person's feelings, all unavoidable, but if it is a value that has global meaning, then fine, but of course it has to be negotiable. it cannot be taken for granted. this is the most universal value to well, it's just different from the problems that were faced during the universal terms of humanism debates. yes, they recognize that local value still exists. the local does not need to be globalized. yup. and the global does not need to be localized o'clock, and that's the blood to go on. you like me, like what about and use own values? how can we maintain those local and global values? the local, i mean, you know, i go back and look, we need to go to the level. we have the new logo ready to pick c, f i the trend, market office strategies that enable and you to keep it alive. that is preserving be tried and true all creating the new and improved that approach does exist. oh,

okay, that's gotta if we're now talking about terrorism sometime ago, there was a terrorist attack that took place in moscow. indonesia has also experience terrorism on that scale, which has hit us hard. is there a country in the world that is completely protected against such tragedies? and what exactly should be done, especially by the government to be able to overcome them? the by a score on some level, something that comes up if you have to understand the whole argument not only in black and white because people are able to do stuff like that. that is because the terrorist was raised to the set, the environment that enables him to do this. consequently, i believe that the organizations are involved in russia, and it's quite quickly to take that into account and address it. but every nation has its own approach to dealing with its full anticipate to get thank god we've able to avoid the difficult conditions that indonesia has encountered from

southeast asia office, a unique experience compared to other regions. what makes the difference? yeah, be said that they've gotten a model and able to say that it could be because the big picture is different. it could be for other reasons, but they all domestic fact says, what is the difference between this domestic goals and this normally the domestic cause of what is the conflict like in, in today's yet by itself didn't hold measures have been taken. the results can be seen since the body plumbing, where the government moved quite aggressively. so maybe, you know, if you trace the issue of terrorism, it cannot be directly linked to only religious issues. a terrorist is at least a criminal. they cannot be linked only to his belief. that's a subject that we're going to use. anybody he come back from your experience with p n. u, how is the organization contributing to the handling of this terrorism case? where is it the wrong teachings or narratives that are finally shared with the community? i doubled up a, a bit better, but the young man,

some people specialize in problem solving, whether in the area of religion or imagery, and from the cases where charles religious imagination is misguided due to incorrect interpretations and dump dreams. this is what occurs when following up off is prioritized event determining the appropriate tools of therapy or remedy. children, for instance, utilize some phrases with ease, but we can judge whether this is from the hospital or just something that comes out of the matter with whom am i speaking. so what is the measure of a religious person or a person claiming to defend islam? does he interfere with other peoples? right, so no, i think it might be if it turns out that he intends to defend as well. but homes of the policies, this is the actually is um, there are ways to measure people's narratives and statements that alone, detecting people who do not make statements. the naturally early detection methods are available to officials in every nation. and therefore, a state officials are concerned with early detection, then community activity. so active base from non governmental organizations and

naturally interested in developing a more tolerant, peaceful, and healthy way of living to them. it's critical to comprehend the importance of appreciating one another and living in harmony that if they give out all the way, perhaps not many indian nations or the international community know about the relationship between russia and the p b. and you. so where did the story of this relationship again? yeah. can you explain what kind of relationship has been established up until now? god, l i. c. o. forgotten on the relationship between russians and nations has been going on for a long time. in terms of institutional organizational relations by the cool states in the form of government relations, for example, for as far as we know, recorded meetings between n u officials and russian officials started during the time of presence 2 condo. in fact, several, and you need is a company presence of condo when he visited several sites in russia. so for example,

in colorado, in test catch them, there, is that to move a mind to call rate? they did most guys, there was a great most cool the cathedral most abrupt essentially and use of course the government's policies. however, the relationship does not restrict and to that when it comes to the people it now for example, there are certain names and something brush or, or central asia. that's if you have them, you will not be surprised. 40 for example, the name is shake abdul. how many dentist on the shows that he's from the courses, but the goal cause is suddenly positive russia because these names that must these indent. gustavo, and i'm gonna say the fact that gets to all these already part of russia. and so it includes the names of figures who were in central asia when central asia was still russia. this can be trace, for example, to the name a step is name is as the account we dug as dogs because that's the part that was sent to the fox. the when people prayed and the congregation is a very respected part of the service, it would say one of the next spend the people who is respected as cold as the

account. wait, he's from douglas stop. and there are more than a few figures from doug stone whose names often mentioned and i meant the in fact if you trace it back to salt and now i'm a put in the on is grandfather salt and alpha i made was the one who wrote and made the logo of the root of but on the symbol of the indonesian state, which has the deck of stony blood pass out on a shake as to why he was from dug of stone. that's why the name dec installed is still attached in the, in full references as the one a guess tommy means i see it that gets stopped. now, i thought that goes back. that'd be a whole many. that means the relationship has existed long before into nature's independence. oh my god and yes, up until indonesia reached independence and beyond we on the by the side i got the yes, the books that he used in the community religious books, for example at islamic boarding schools. some of the books helpful. so use

a deck style. so there is a close by yeah, can i and people who took the guess because they learn from the same figures. it's a little different from here in terms of sector, my dad by the see a logical understanding. the map is the same to the reality show, fee pre dominates in southern russia robot then kind of thing. the only difference is that one is the terrestrial routes and the other is the same route, just like in the southeast asia and the spice threatened to get through the silk root is the one and that gets done. and if the pulse may different, but the fundamentals of religion remain long should be the same. hello, really have me how. what is the relationship like today? oh boy, in him take break. i took the relationship has maintained good terms. the unless we say that there were still visits from one another. for example, the visits from russian figures to islamic boarding schools. there are invitations from events in russia to engine easy. and the thing is, if you look at these,

we see good relations from both parties, but it's like i come up file when i'm buy that, why is it considered important to maintain the relationship between p b and you and russia, given the relationship between indonesia and russia that is also still very well established by the end the nation govern, managed by any share gullow lender. how does it answer that going to the glass full? the relationship between the people, the relationship between figures can suddenly be learned from a long time ago. for example, the universities to often invite representatives from indonesia, campuses, in russia, and campuses in indonesia, almost invite figures from russia. that's something that's being developed and it's important to help maintain relations between communities. the person to person that size the building between citizens is important for more peaceful relationship and the journey ahead. but the fact that in what ways can the relationship between muslims in indonesia and restaurant continue to be strengthened just yeah. how,

how young woman can can it is about things that allow for a strong understanding or encourage. and this is the ones that promote misunderstanding or avoid it. i guess for example, if there was sensitive issues, we need to deal with them quickly. at those times we off who is the neighbor of russia, of those countries that burned to her, the curriculum system. we need to explain that it's very far away, which means it's different to do mind if you look at it that way for things that allow misunderstandings to occur in a part of what must be addressed and that the, the existing understanding what must be improved and have to be the most. i see bang yet, bustle, i b, thank you very much, mr. sweetie, for your time. and for such an enlightening discussion. not only about history, but also about what can be done in the future. and the, the

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